It's mentioned above, and been discussed at length elsewhere: how can the new Indian line be so good looking and possess nice useable tech stuff from the engine to the electronics, and the Victory line be like they are...somewhat blah and dated?

By that I mean they're to me not the best they could have been. Styling, design, execution are durable but...and I'm searching for a kind word...maybe unexciting? It just seems they let their contracted designers go too far and stay too long.

They never seriously challenged the competition. They can't give them away where I live without a discount (the dealer's words, not mine). And they depreciate quickly. I bought a new Vision for over $6K off list, and while it was a good ride while I owned it, it was let go in favor of something else for lack of interest on my part.

The new Indian looks and sounds good. I hope they prove to be what they appear to be.