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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyf6b View Post
    So is anyone willing to tell us what happened? Did he wreck the F6B or another bike?

    If I may be so blunt as to explain what happened to Dwight...without anyone chewing my butt for being frank about his accident...then here goes.

    Before we started the ride that day, it was said that the big Blue Goldwing was going to go out front (that is Big Dawg), and I jumped at the chance and said I would ride second to the Big Dawg, as I interpreted that he would be riding faster, as he is a local rider, familiar with those roads. It was accepted that I would ride second. Then...Dwight spoke up to Phantom, and said he was a faster rider, so Phantom suggested that he ride with Big Dawg and me, following me. (that was a mistake to folloow Big Dawg and myself)

    We got on the road, our little group of 3 bikes, and all the other bikes in a much larger group, following behind us by a mile or so. After about 15 or so miles, we 3 stopped at a corner mini-mart, parked our bikes, and aited for the larger group to catch up, so we would all know the right direction to take.
    It was at this stop that Dwight talked with Big Dawg and myself about...how to corner beter, and the different riding styles between Big Dawg and myself. It appeared to Big Dawg and myself that Dwight was looking for "riding instructions". We both told Dwight to ride his OWN ride...do not attempt to keep up with Big Dawg and me, and to ride within his own limits. (that was the jest of the conversation) We both commented to one another, that if Dwight is asking us for "riding instructions, of how to take the bike through tight curves and either scrape the pegs, or avoid scraping the pegs, then he should NOT be following the two of us".

    When we left from that corner mini-mart, our group of 3 had picked up another rider...one from the larger group, that was not happy being stuck in the middle of a bunch of unknown riders, with unknwn skills. This 4th rider concluded that it might be better to ride at the back of the lead pack, with riders assumed to be more skillful.

    On this next secment of riding, Hwy 28 in NC, our group of 4 bikes came across some slower...much smaller...bikes, and we politely passed them, one at a time. Big Dawg got around them, and the car in front of them. Then I got around them, and the car in front of them. That is when we lost Dwight.
    Rider # 4 in our group said that when Dwight went to pass the smaller bikes, he went too wide through a long sweeping curve, and at first low-sided the bike, over corrected, and then high-sided the bike, and he and the bike went off the road at a high speed, left side of the road. It weas a large sweeping RIGHT handed curve, and Dwight went off the LEFT side, bike went off the paved road, into soft dirt/grass, into a deep ditch, and toppled end over end, which is where Dwight flew off the bike, clipped a large tree with his body, and ended up twisted behind the tree, facing the opposite direction. Looking at the accident scene, Phantom and I determined that Dwight MUST have hit the tree, to inable his body to be on the other side of this large tree. He could not have gone THROUGH the tree.

    The bike, was literally unside down, and facing backwards from whence it came. (yes, I know only Hornblower uses the word...whence, but I stole it from him) To recover the bike, a bunch of us had to roll the bike, like a dog rolling over on its' side, and roll the bike several times to get it up out of the ditch, and back up onto somewhat flat land.

    The bike, a new F6B, was 100 % totaled out. Maybe the engine is salvageable, if someone wanted to buy the engine. I went thtrough all the saddlebags, pockets, and anything else that would hold personal belongings. Phantom had to assist in getting into the left front poscket, as the handlebars were bent so bad, they covered that pocket. We put 100% of his personal propertty into one large bag, which was put inside Phantoms' trailer, for safe keeping.

    Munch and I performed triage' on Dwight, moved his body safely to a better rescue location, and awaited the EMT personnel to arrive.

    THEY SAY IT HAPPENS IN THREES....

    Dwight was immediately behind ME whern this accident happened.

    Luther, riding the Suzuki Burgman 650 (Hornblower's brother) was in front of ME when his accident happened a couple hours later.

    To finalize the set of 3...I was struck by lightning on my way home.

    It was as if...someone up above said, "hey, I got those other two guys that were behind you, and in front of you, and then I had to search the surface of the Earth to see where you had run off to. Oh...there you are...ZAP"

    Bottom line on Dwights' accident is that he was riding above his skill level, and riding too fast.

    Luther was paying more attention to his bike dash guages, as his low fuel warning light was blinking at him, and he completely missed that we were entering a sharp curve, and he went off road into a barbed wire fence, without braking.

    I...was arguing with myself about the Ohms law principle, and whether Volta was a better looking Italian than Phantom, and I lost the argument.

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    First of all, I hope Dwight, and Miles, have speedy and complete recoveries. Any type of motorcycle incident sucks. Been there, done that. Best wishes to both of you.

    I spent about half of my 50 years of riding participating with groups, large and small, when I was riding with my local HOG chapter. During that time, I have seen, way too many times, a mismatch of rider skills. Matching skills of riders to group riding dynamics is cumbersome at best. I am glad you guys had the opportunity to meet and enjoy each others company. It is the group riding part of the trip that made me a bit concerned. I have seen the scenario that contributed to the above described accident too many times. One incident resulted in a fatality.

    I now choose to ride almost exclusively by myself these days. That way, I can be as agressive or laidback as I please and I don't have to force myself to try to match my skills with other riders and either be riding too aggressively over my head or totally board or uncomfortable riding around others that I have no idea of there skill level.

    Once again, best wishes for a complete recovery to Dwight and Miles.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles View Post
    Before we started the ride that day, it was said that the big Blue Goldwing was going to go out front (that is Big Dawg), and I jumped at the chance and said I would ride second to the Big Dawg, as I interpreted that he would be riding faster, as he is a local rider, familiar with those roads. It was accepted that I would ride second. Then...Dwight spoke up to Phantom, and said he was a faster rider, so Phantom suggested that he ride with Big Dawg and me, following me.

    When we left from that corner mini-mart, our group of 3 had picked up another rider...one from the larger group, that was not happy being stuck in the middle of a bunch of unknown riders, with unknwn skills. This 4th rider concluded that it might be better to ride at the back of the lead pack, with riders assumed to be more skillful.
    Just want to make a couple of points here.

    #1 .... I was never in favor of a "SPIRITED" ride nor would I have suggested that Dwight follow the two most experienced riders. If Dwight mentioned my name in the conversation then he obviously confused me for someone else, Dwight and I never discussed riding with the fast group. I attend to ride and enjoy the scenery with a few curves and hills. I do not attend these events to prove my skills or hold on for dear life as my butt cheeks pull the seat into my butt crack as I tackle a curve at a high rate of speed not knowing the area. Next year I ask that those wanting to go on a "Spirited" ride ... please do it the day before or the day after the Rally, I don't want our members or family of our members placed at risk of ANY injury.

    #2 .... Rider #4 by MISTAKE jumped behind the 3 fast riders. When Steve yelled out "lets go" coincidently the fast riders took off and #4 thought that we were all following and jumped right behind Dwight. That was a mistake and as far as I know rider #4 never mentioned to me that he did not like our slower pace.

    #3 .... We can not change what happened, I am GRATEFUL for everyones assistance and the fact that Dwight did not end up as a paraplegic. Next year the pace will be fun and relaxed and when we PULL INTO a gas station .... wether you need fuel or not EVERYONE needs to top off, we are not stopping at a gas station to take photos of the pumps or see if their toilets do or do not flush. We do not know where the next fuel stop may be.

    #4 .... The lightning strike, you are a very lucky man, count your lucky stars. Most people would have been killed from the strike or crashed resulting in a fatality. You need a new avatar with some type of a cat, obviously you had 9 lives at one time, now you are down to 8. I hope that you recover with no permanent injuries. Next year please attach a 4' lightning rod to the back of your bike.

    Let's keep in mind that EVERYONE'S safety is first, if you want to go fast..... ride fast on the way to our Rally or on the way home.
    Steve and I have already started discussing next years event and it will be even better that this year, God Willing Dwight and Luther will be back and we double our attendance. It was a terrific event, everyone was respectful, courteous and fun to be with.... see you all in 2014.

    Later, P6B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas TC View Post
    I now choose to ride almost exclusively by myself these days. That way, I can be as agressive or laidback as I please and I don't have to force myself to try to match my skills with other riders and either be riding too aggressively over my head or totally board or uncomfortable riding around others that I have no idea of there skill level.
    Yep. I have no desire for group riding. 2-3 bikes is plenty.

    Largest one I've been in was about 1500 bikes,,, Shut I-10 down for us and it was still a grade "A" fustercluck,,, Got stuck at the rear ,,, MAJOR 'slinky' effect,,, Probably 50 miles and saw at least 2 bikes that went down,,

    Today, for me, it's usually just 2 bikes w/Wife riding hers behind me, and she's very cautious,,, Kinda helps me to slow down a bit when I look back and she's outta sight,,,

    In general, I like to give it a good 'goose' every now and then, but by far and away, I ride to escape/unwind,,, never to 'conquer'.

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    Prayers sent

    Speedy recovery Dwight!!!!!!!!!!! :biggthumpup

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    I own a Hayabusa and have been "spirited" riding on most of all occasions, a lot of which took place on Palomar Mountain in socal (this ride kills professional riders). No matter what we did people talked past their grade and on one ride on Highland Valley Road we lost two due to it. Thank god both of them were okay (not dead but it did end one of their dreams of becoming a Navy SEAL). When we were off my turf I rode sweep -- familiar areas 3rd or 4th. Ego's run high especially on sport bikes, but I was never one to not ride "my" ride. In Vegas we had a guy on a zx14 that knew the lay of the land and bumped me out of sweep position as he was new to the 14. We got to our pre determined spot when I realized I hadn't seen him in my mirrors after an off camber sharp right downhill. As I was originally designated sweep I had no answers for the ride master as our missing rider had actually taken the tailgunner position. Within minutes ambulances and police cars screamed off into the other direction as our ride master and the pres of the club hosting us ripped off after them. He had gone down on that very turn and blown out one knee completely and cracked vertebrae in both his back and neck (I had chatted with the guy prior to the ride and he was a local HS wrestling coach about 5' 5" and about that wide-- I think anyone else would have been killed). Brand new 14 wadded like tissue paper. I implore each and every cyclist out there to play it conservatively and if you feel the need to move up in the pack, to do so in small increments. The F6b has impressed me in terms of its ability to "read my mind" and go where I want it to, but I have yet to push it, as I bought it to relax. I know this scenario will play out til the end of time, but if I reach one guy, then mission accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xzvs View Post
    I own a Hayabusa and have been "spirited" riding on most of all occasions, a lot of which took place on Palomar Mountain in socal (this ride kills professional riders). No matter what we did people talked past their grade and on one ride on Highland Valley Road we lost two due to it. Thank god both of them were okay (not dead but it did end one of their dreams of becoming a Navy SEAL). When we were off my turf I rode sweep -- familiar areas 3rd or 4th. Ego's run high especially on sport bikes, but I was never one to not ride "my" ride. In Vegas we had a guy on a zx14 that knew the lay of the land and bumped me out of sweep position as he was new to the 14. We got to our pre determined spot when I realized I hadn't seen him in my mirrors after an off camber sharp right downhill. As I was originally designated sweep I had no answers for the ride master as our missing rider had actually taken the tailgunner position. Within minutes ambulances and police cars screamed off into the other direction as our ride master and the pres of the club hosting us ripped off after them. He had gone down on that very turn and blown out one knee completely and cracked vertebrae in both his back and neck (I had chatted with the guy prior to the ride and he was a local HS wrestling coach about 5' 5" and about that wide-- I think anyone else would have been killed). Brand new 14 wadded like tissue paper. I implore each and every cyclist out there to play it conservatively and if you feel the need to move up in the pack, to do so in small increments. The F6b has impressed me in terms of its ability to "read my mind" and go where I want it to, but I have yet to push it, as I bought it to relax. I know this scenario will play out til the end of time, but if I reach one guy, then mission accomplished.
    First of all, I wish a full and speedy recovery for our good friend Dwight.

    The next thing that I want to say, is there is almost no man that wants to admit that he can't ride as good or better than the next guy. There is a huge difference between riding down a freeway and a twisty mountain road. it is a totally different skill set. Especially when an over weight, grey haired, old fart offers to lead a "spirited ride" on a Goldwing with his wife on the back. Before we left the Hotel, I explained to Miles and Dwight how we were going to ride and even offered them a few pointers as to how to ride these big bikes in the twisties.

    At our first stop, I tried again offer some advice to Dwight on the way to ride in the mountains. ("Sparky" aka Miles said previously that Dwight asked for some pointers and that is simply not correct, you have to remember that Sparky is recovering from a lighting strike to the head). I once again explained to Dwight we don't ride fast on the straights but we do like to challenge the corners. I told him that if we pull a gap in the corners, that we would slow down on the straights and he would easily be able to catch up. I had noticed that he was struggling in the corners and thought a few words could possibly help him to be smoother. Sadly, he put his hand up and said, "I know how to ride" At that point, Sparky said, well then, "just ride your ride" Honestly, truthfully, we were not speeding. For heavens sake, I was on a fully loaded Wing with my lovely wife and mother of my children on the back! A good solo rider on and F6B with mountain riding skills should have easily been able to stay with us. I hate to say it but he made a poor judgement call going into that corner. From what the following riders told me, he tried to pass another motorcycle on the outside of a downhill right hand blind corner. Holy crap, that is completely insane. I have tormented over his decision and trying to figure out why anyone would attempt something like that? We all know the rest of the story.

    "never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly"

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    Its always tough when you're lead and anyone behind you ends up eating asphalt, regardless of the situation. It does work on your mind for a while afterwards,,,

    I came in to a corner too hot once,,, made it through, but checked my 6 only to see my wife and her bike sliding across/off the road,,

    Awful easy to get distracted, complacent, and/or get in a hurry. (Slow traffic drives me nuts,,,) I could use improvements in all those areas and more.

    Be safe.

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    First of all, I wish a full and speedy recovery for our good friend Dwight.

    The next thing that I want to say, is there is almost no man that wants to admit that he can't ride as good or better than the next guy. There is a huge difference between riding down a freeway and a twisty mountain road. it is a totally different skill set.

    Well said, I also wish a speedy recovery.

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    Big Dawg, try not to beat yourself up over this. I know you mentioned that several have "lost it" trying to follow you (I believe you mentioned 12). The reality is that the admonition to "ride your own speed" was brought up several times and, in this particular case, you made a special attempt to advise this rider after noticing he was struggling a bit in the corners. I don't know what else you could have done. The fact is that when you lead a group on a ride such as this, sooner or later, something is bound to happen. As a previous pastor of mine reminded us, it's the "nature of human nature" that often leads to problems. Personally, I appreciate your efforts to lead what I would call a reasonable, spirited ride. The larger issue here is how our group should handle future rides. Should there be a fast group separate from the "regular" group? Inevitably, there will be a rider who wants to be associated with the fast group whether he is fast or not. Therein lies the problem.

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