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    Non DoD Departments Arming Themselves....

    Some of these I could justify, others not so much.....
    Make up your own mind, then act accordingly.
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    Wall Street Journal
    17 June 2016

    Why Does the IRS Need Guns?
    by Atom Coburn and Adam Andrzejewski

    After grabbing legal power, bureaucrats are amassing firepower. It’s time to scale back the federal arsenal.

    Special agents at the IRS equipped with AR-15 military-style rifles? Health and Human Services “Special Office of Inspector General Agents” being trained by the Army’s Special Forces contractors? The Department of Veterans Affairs arming 3,700 employees?

    The number of non-Defense Department federal officers authorized to make arrests and carry firearms (200,000) now exceeds the number of U.S. Marines (182,000). In its escalating arms and ammo stockpiling, this federal arms race is unlike anything in history. Over the last 20 years, the number of these federal officers with arrest-and-firearm authority has nearly tripled to over 200,000 today, from 74,500 in 1996.

    What exactly is the Obama administration up to?

    On Friday, June 17, our organization, American Transparency, is releasing its OpenTheBooks.com oversight report on the militarization of America. The report catalogs federal purchases of guns, ammunition and military-style equipment by seemingly bureaucratic federal agencies. During a nine-year period through 2014, we found, 67 agencies unaffiliated with the Department of Defense spent $1.48 billion on guns and ammo. Of that total, $335.1 million was spent by agencies traditionally viewed as regulatory or administrative, such as the Smithsonian Institution and the U.S. Mint.

    https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/...a_06102016.pdf

    Some examples of spending from 2005 through 2014 raise the question: Who are they preparing to battle?

    • The Internal Revenue Service, which has 2,316 special agents, spent nearly $11 million on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment. That’s nearly $5,000 in gear for each agent.

    • The Department of Veterans Affairs, which has 3,700 law-enforcement officers guarding and securing VA medical centers, spent $11.66 million. It spent more than $200,000 on night-vision equipment, $2.3 million for body armor, more than $2 million on guns, and $3.6 million for ammunition. The VA employed no officers with firearm authorization as recently as 1995.

    • The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service spent $4.77 million purchasing shotguns, .308 caliber rifles, night-vision goggles, propane cannons, liquid explosives, pyro supplies, buckshot, LP gas cannons, drones, remote-control helicopters, thermal cameras, military waterproof thermal infrared scopes and more.

    • The Environmental Protection Agency spent $3.1 million on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment. The EPA has put nearly $800 million since 2005 into its “Criminal Enforcement Division.”

    • The Food and Drug Administration employs 183 heavily armed “special agents.”

    • The University of California, Berkeley acquired 14 5.56mm assault rifles and Yale University police accepted 20 5.56mm assault rifles from the Defense Department. Texas Southern University and Saddleback College police even acquired Mine Resistant Vehicles (MRVs).

    Other paper-pushing federal agencies with firearm-and-arrest authority that have expanded their arsenals since 2006 include the Small Business Administration, Social Security Administration, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Education Department, Energy Department, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, National Institute of Standards and Technology and many others.

    People from both ends of the political spectrum have expressed alarm at this trend. Conservatives argue that it is hypocritical, unconstitutional and costly for political leaders to undermine the Second Amendment while simultaneously equipping nonmilitary agencies with heavy weapons, hollow-point bullets and military-style equipment. Progressives like Sen. Bernie Sanders have raised civil liberties concerns about the militarization of local police with vehicles built for war and other heavy weaponry.

    Meanwhile, federal authorities are silent on the growing arsenal at federal agencies. In fact, we asked the IRS for an asset accounting of their gun locker—their guns and ammunition asset inventory by location. Their response? “We don’t have one [an inventory], but could create one for you, if important.”
    Our data shows that the federal government has become a gun show that never adjourns. Taxpayers need to tell Washington that police powers belong primarily to cities and states, not the feds.

    [Dr. Coburn is a physician and former U.S. senator from Oklahoma. He is the honorary chairman, and Mr. Andrzejewski is the founder and CEO, of OpenTheBooks.com, a repository of public-spending records.]
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    Yet if I were to bring one in to work and leave it in my saddle bag while working I would be arrested, fired and prosecuted.

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    To some it might be aluminum foil hat time, but there is too many such stories for there not to be something to it. The claim generally is that the various governmental branches and elite are preparing for something major. Looking, even with a pragmatic mind, you would have to wonder.
    "Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up"

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    "0ne World Order". Read about it.Study it. Get you head out of the sand and open your mind..................... Dickie
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    Special Agents from the IRS were the only IRS agents authorized to carry firearms, however, Special Agents only purpose is to investigate crimes against the IRS by people living OVERSEAS, not people living in America. Regular IRS Agents are not authorized to carry firearms, that was the whole courtroom tactic of getting them on the stand and asking them if they are. If they said no then they would reveal that they don't have any enforcement power, like barging into your home, seizing bank accounts, property etc. That's why at one of Irwin Schiff's trials he was shut down, by the judge, from asking that exact question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmytee View Post
    To some it might be aluminum foil hat time, but there is too many such stories for there not to be something to it. The claim generally is that the various governmental branches and elite are preparing for something major. Looking, even with a pragmatic mind, you would have to wonder.
    All while attempting to disarm the citizens.
    If you are not part of the solution, YOU are the problem.

    Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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    Cool

    There are a couple of thoughts out there...

    1. They are buying it so you cannot.

    2. The government is preparing to attack it's citizens.

    3. One world order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve 0080 View Post
    There are a couple of thoughts out there...

    1. They are buying it so you cannot.

    2. The government is preparing to attack it's citizens.

    3. One world order.

    4. ____________________ ?
    I don't know what the plan is, but somebody please call them and tell them I am ready.
    If you are not part of the solution, YOU are the problem.

    Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve 0080 View Post
    There are a couple of thoughts out there...

    1. They are buying it so you cannot.

    2. The government is preparing to attack it's citizens.

    3. One world order.

    4. ____________________ ?
    I think this is what the founding fathers meant by tyranny.
    If you are not part of the solution, YOU are the problem.

    Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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