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    Harley Davidson gets their...

    ...tallywhacker slapped by Big Brother.

    No more "Screaming Eagle" tuners

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...emissions-suit

    Harley-Davidson Inc. will pay $15 million to end a U.S. lawsuit accusing the iconic motorcycle maker of selling performance-enhancing engine tuners the government said were illegal emission-control defeat devices.

    In a settlement announced Thursday, Harley also said it would stop selling and buy back and destroy its “Screamin’ Eagle” Pro Super Tuners.


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    Europe has VW and America has Harley Davidson, they're like two moronic cousins although I can't hate them for trying to screw the environmental wackos that believe a can of deodorant or a tailpipe will cause the Apocolypse, at least don't get caught.

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    Bone Stock Performance

    With the Screaming Eagle enhancements now done, how are those Harley Folks going to "pull stumps"

    There should be a big decrease in "sticker prices" at the HD Dealers. Maybe a "fire sale" of sorts

    We best not be too smug as Big Brother will be looking at other "fuel/performance add on boxes"

    Not sure if this is the culprit or not! Just $250.00 from your local HD Dealer!

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    For it to be a successful buy back program owners need to be willing to bring them back to the store. Willing is the operative word.

    Now that the hammer has come down I imagine the value of any bike with that installed will command a higher price, albeit just outside the law..

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsub View Post
    For it to be a successful buy back program owners need to be willing to bring them back to the store. Willing is the operative word.

    Now that the hammer has come down I imagine the value of any bike with that installed will command a higher price, albeit just outside the law..
    Here is the real kicker and is going to have a lot of H-D owners up in arms "provision in the settlement discourages owners from using the modifications by terminating their warranty if they do."
    The case is U.S. v. Harley-Davidson Inc., 16-cv-1687, U.S. District Court, District of Columbia https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...cree-filed.pdf
    and my stock in H-D fell almost 8 percent on news of the lawsuit before rebounding. They closed down 1.7 percent in New York trading today.

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    Shame on HD, but a $12 million dollar fine is "peanuts" to a company as big as they are...Should have been fined $50 million in my opinion...If they were a car company they would have paid "up the ass"......JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGLRY View Post
    Here is the real kicker and is going to have a lot of H-D owners up in arms "provision in the settlement discourages owners from using the modifications by terminating their warranty if they do."
    The case is U.S. v. Harley-Davidson Inc., 16-cv-1687, U.S. District Court, District of Columbia https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...cree-filed.pdf
    and my stock in H-D fell almost 8 percent on news of the lawsuit before rebounding. They closed down 1.7 percent in New York trading today.
    yeah maybe to those that have warranty coverage still. Otherwise uh-uh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob109 View Post
    With the Screaming Eagle enhancements now done, how are those Harley Folks going to "pull stumps"

    There should be a big decrease in "sticker prices" at the HD Dealers. Maybe a "fire sale" of sorts

    We best not be too smug as Big Brother will be looking at other "fuel/performance add on boxes"

    Not sure if this is the culprit or not! Just $250.00 from your local HD Dealer!

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    Those tuners were absolute junk and at the dealer I worked at quit installing them. First you had to find a place to stuff it into and second you had to spend serious time and money on the dyno. Harley is notorious for coming out with junk products that don't work and then discontinuing them.
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    The worst part about this is how it opens the door for heavy-handed regulation on after-market exhaust pipes, ECU remapping (both hardware and software) and any other performance enhancements. There are countless government regulators out there, trying to justify their existence ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle-5 View Post
    The worst part about this is how it opens the door for heavy-handed regulation on after-market exhaust pipes, ECU remapping (both hardware and software) and any other performance enhancements. There are countless government regulators out there, trying to justify their existence ...
    Great point. I have no idea of how they would keep up with after market equipment that's sold all over the world. Again, not a good use of government resources chasing around middle-aged dudes trying to make their rides better.

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