Deadly accident(last time i ride with large group)

[53driver]

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I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but what gives you (or this group you rode with) the right to violate traffic laws by stopping cross traffic so your group can roll through? That's an accident waiting to happen, and guess who would be liable. This is about the farthest thing from "safety consciousness" you can get when it comes to dealing with other traffic.

+1. I don't condone that behavior at all. Unless you've got LEOs doing the escorting on their official bikes and they are in uniform acting as LEOs, that IS a serious legal matter.

[seadog]

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I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but what gives you (or this group you rode with) the right to violate traffic laws by stopping cross traffic so your group can roll through? That's an accident waiting to happen, and guess who would be liable. This is about the farthest thing from "safety consciousness" you can get when it comes to dealing with other traffic.

It's definitely against the law to block traffic and roll thru stop lights and stop signs but its also bad to have cagers in a line with 45 or 50 bikes. So the safety aspect is what they are trying to maintain. Because traffic stops pull the group apart and put cagers in the line with them that creates an unsafe condition for that many motorcycle. Your right its illegal, but they never get stopped or pulled over for those illegal acts and don't ask me why I don't have an answer. But this group is full of the nicest guys you could every meet, not a bad bone in there group.

[stroguy]

It's definitely against the law to block traffic and roll thru stop lights and stop signs but its also bad to have cagers in a line with 45 or 50 bikes. So the safety aspect is what they are trying to maintain. Because traffic stops pull the group apart and put cagers in the line with them that creates an unsafe condition for that many motorcycle. Your right its illegal, but they never get stopped or pulled over for those illegal acts and don't ask me why I don't have an answer. But this group is full of the nicest guys you could every meet, not a bad bone in there group.

Think about that for a second. Breaking a group of 45 motorcycles, which in itself is an unsafe entity, makes it unsafe. For who? Unsafe as you try to reassemble and run lights and push traffic out of the clan.

Not a bad bone, except for the arrogant ones that condone and initiate the self centered selfish unsafe law breaking. Screw the cagers, we'll do what the f we want.

[Wing'n it]

The last "large group" ride I was in they had two accidents in the damn parking lot before we ever left out. One was an older feller on a way too big for him Harley and he flopped it over during a slow turn. The other was a couple on a Harley and his wife on the back was a really big girl and I think the bike was a bit top heavy and they flopped over trying to park and she got hurt bad when the bike fell on her. The ride (about 75 miles) was trouble free but it was kinda scary a few times when they was blocking traffic at intersections. Not for me, sticking to smaller groups.
PS We had state troopers blocking traffic at about half of the intersections so maybe it's not against the law if it's an organized event? It was a hospital charity ride....

[seadog]

The last "large group" ride I was in they had two accidents in the damn parking lot before we ever left out. One was an older feller on a way too big for him Harley and he flopped it over during a slow turn. The other was a couple on a Harley and his wife on the back was a really big girl and I think the bike was a bit top heavy and they flopped over trying to park and she got hurt bad when the bike fell on her. The ride (about 75 miles) was trouble free but it was kinda scary a few times when they was blocking traffic at intersections. Not for me, sticking to smaller groups.
PS We had state troopers blocking traffic at about half of the intersections so maybe it's not against the law if it's an organized event? It was a hospital charity ride....

The group I rode with was doing the same thing without the police there and that is totally illegal.

[Bruce B]

I ride monthly with a group whose rides usually have 10-25 bikes. The rides are usually in the Sierra foothills and mountains with the occasional ride to the coast. Typical ride is 225-300 miles so considering gas stops, lunch, etc., it's a fairly full day. When the group is 12 or more, we split into 2 or three groups, depending on how many bikes we have. This makes for an easier ride for all and we aren't a pain in the butt to other traffic. The leader and sweep of each group are in radio contact which helps if the group gets split at a stop light or for other reasons. We ride quite briskly but aren't trying to be competitive about it. We've had some riders new to the group who turned out to be a hazard. Now, in order to ride with us, a few of the senior members take the newbie on a checkout ride. If he's not safe, it's a no go. This has made group members careful about who they invite so we've never actually had to turn down anyone following a check out ride. Safety is always stressed at the pre-ride briefing with standard safe group ride procedures being covered. A very high percentage of our riding is in very curvy and twisting mountain roads at a brisk pace so someone who can't handle that without drifting over the center line or having other problems would be weeded out before he could get hurt. Because of the nature of these rides, riding your own ride is also stressed. The group is not elitist, just safety conscious, and we have a blast.

[willtill]

I supposed to go on another ALR poker run this morning. I think I'm going to pass... this time.

[114th COBRA]

I rarely ride with more than 2 other riders for that reason.

+1

[rdeady]

Sorry guys I stand corrected. The fellow is alive with serious injuries. I had rode straight back to the dealers after the accident to bull crap with friend that works there and he had told me they were told one man had passed away. So from what I saw it figures he had. Thankfully I was mistaken.

[zeus661]

It's definitely against the law to block traffic and roll thru stop lights and stop signs but its also bad to have cagers in a line with 45 or 50 bikes. So the safety aspect is what they are trying to maintain. Because traffic stops pull the group apart and put cagers in the line with them that creates an unsafe condition for that many motorcycle. Your right its illegal, but they never get stopped or pulled over for those illegal acts and don't ask me why I don't have an answer. But this group is full of the nicest guys you could every meet, not a bad bone in there group.

Whats the difference between a group of bikers just wanting to get somewhere or a line of cars caught in construction? Say the same behavior happens but with high school kids just trying to get out of their parking lot after school?

You ok with that too?