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    My wife and I both respect and honor Senator McCain's military career and especially the fact he survived the Hanoi Hilton.

    But ......

    His record as a senator has me questioning his judgement at times.

    Trump is occasionally insensitive in some of his comments and I did not personally support what he said about the senator in question, but then again, sometimes political insensitivity is what is needed .....

    https://youtu.be/wgSSRE27GQ0

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Train View Post
    Here is the exact quote: “He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

    Gee, you got me there. Guess I should get my facts straight.

    Here's the rest of the facts in case you're interested:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...aptured-120317
    I'm Trump guy but thats bs. He was shot down over N Vietnam. Didnt do a Bo Bergdahl. He was sent on the mission by the powers that be. Those same powers decided to limit our offensive capabilities so it was even more dangerous on those missions. Plus he served years in that shithole and was tortured and didnt do a Jane Fonda. Thats a hero...... leave that other shit out about his politics afterward.

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    I can respect all people who put themselves in harm's way and still dislike their politics. One does not preclude the other.
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    Perhaps I should have worded my concerns in a differant manor. Will a president elect who speaks ill of veterans go after their benefits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retired Army View Post
    Perhaps I should have worded my concerns in a differant manor. Will a president elect who speaks ill of veterans go after their benefits?
    With two or three retired Generals in his cabinet.....I would think that would not happen. Plus he got a large share of the military vote. Be tough for him to kick some of the folks who voted him into office. So far it appears he is rewarding those who supported him. Hope that stays true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retired Army View Post
    Perhaps I should have worded my concerns in a differant manor. Will a president elect who speaks ill of veterans go after their benefits?
    I hope this helps. Trump was baited and swallowed the hook in this confrontation. But he has a proven track record of supporting veterans groups monetarily. He has been critical of the current and former administrations for the lack of improvement for the VA. He has made promises to improve veterans benefits and has always been complimentary of the military and veterans. I believe him. Don't get wrapped around the axle from this one incident.

    John McCain has been in the House for 36 years and has a less than stellar record lately of votes that help fund veterans organizations. He received a grade of 20 out of 100 from DAV for his voting record on the recent 10 years. I conclude that the politician McCain should be highly criticized. Naval aviator McCain will get my salute everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    From politifact:

    CHARITY NAVIGATOR FOUR-STAR RATING

    America's Vet Dogs, the Veteran K-9 corps, Inc., Smithtown, N.Y. Annual revenues: $9.1 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    AMVETS, Lanham, Md. Annual revenues: $30.4 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Armed Services YMCA of the U.S., Springfield, Va.. Annual revenues: $36.4 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Disabled American Veterans Charitable Service Trust, Cold Spring, Ky. Annual revenues: $8.1 million. Trump donation: $115,000

    Fisher House Foundation, Rockville, Md., Annual revenues: $55.6 million. Trump donation: $115,000

    Hire Heroes USA, Alpharetta, Ga. Annual revenues: $5.4 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Homes for Our Troops, Taunton, Mass. Annual revenues: $17.7 million. Trump donation: $50,000

    Hope for The Warriors, Jacksonville, N.C. Annual revenues: $6 million. Trump donation: $65,000

    Navy SEAL Foundation, Virginia Beach, Va. Annual revenues: $15.4 million. Trump donation: $465,000

    Navy Marine Corps Relief Society, Arlington, Va. Annual revenues: $25 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Operation Homefront, San Antonio, Texas. Annual revenues: $62.2 million. Trump donation: $65,000

    The Mission Continues, St. Louis, Mo. Annual revenues: $10.8 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Vietnam Veterans Workshop, Inc. (New England Center and Home for Veterans), Boston, Mass. Annual revenues: $11 million. Trump donation: $75,000



    CHARITY NAVIGATOR THREE-STAR RATING

    Achilles International, New York, N.Y. Annual revenues: $3.1 million. Trump donation: $200,000

    Freedom Alliance, Dulles, Va. Annual revenues: $11 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    The National Military Family Association, Inc., Alexandria, Va. Annual revenues: $3.9 million. Trump donation: $75,000



    ELIGIBLE FOR CHARITY NAVIGATOR RATING BUT NOT YET RATED

    Bob Woodruff Family Foundation, Inc., New York, N.Y. Annual revenues: $9.2 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Central Iowa Shelter and Services, Des Moines, Iowa. Annual revenues: $1.6 million. Trump donation: $100,000

    Folds of Honor Foundation, Owasso, Okla. Annual revenues: $12.3 million. Trump donation: $200,000

    Veterans Airlift Command, Minneapolis, Minn. Annual revenues: $5.6 million. Trump donation: $100,000



    NOT YET ELIGIBLE TO BE RATED BY CHARITY NAVIGATOR

    Green Beret Foundation, San Antonio, Texas. Annual revenues: $1.9 million. Trump donation: $350,000

    K-9s for Warriors, Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla. Annual revenues: $4.1 million. Trump donation: $50,000

    Task Force Dagger Foundation, McKinney, Texas. Annual revenues: $1.1 million. Trump donation: $50,000



    NOT REQUIRED TO FILE 990

    22Kill, Dallas, Texas. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $200,000.

    American Hero Adventures, Eugene, Ore. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $100,000

    Americans for Independent Living: Cedar Falls, Iowa. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $100,000

    Honoring America's Warriors: El Reno, Okla. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $100,000

    Partners for Patriots: Sioux City, Iowa. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $100,000

    Support Siouxland Soldiers: Sioux City, Iowa. Annual revenues: $33,970. Trump donation: $100,000

    Veterans in Command, Inc., Jamaica, N.Y. Annual revenues: Not reported. Trump donation: $150,000



    TOO SMALL FOR CHARITY NAVIGATOR TO RATE

    Connected Warriors, Inc., Boca Raton, Fla. Annual revenues: $179,401. Trump donation: $75,000

    Liberty House, Manchester, N.H. Annual revenues: $276,474. Trump donation: $100,000

    New England Wounded Veterans, Inc., Boston, Mass. Annual revenues: $202,289. Trump donation: $75,000

    Puppy Jake Foundation: Des Moines, Iowa. Annual revenues: $289,340. Trump donation: $100,000

    Racing for Heroes, Inc., Beech Creek, Pa. Annual revenues: $227,542. Trump donation: $200,000

    Warriors for Freedom Foundation: Oklahoma City, Okla. Annual revenues: $459,622. Trump donation: $50,000



    NOT RATED BY CHARITY NAVIGATOR DUE TO ATYPICAL BUSINESS MODEL

    Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund, New York, N.Y. Annual revenues: $10.4 million. Trump donation: $175,000



    NOT ELIGIBLE FOR RATING BY CHARITY NAVIGATOR BECAUSE OF "NONTRIVIAL FUNDRAISING EXPENSES"

    Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation, Tuckahoe, N.Y. Annual revenues: $3 million. Trump donation: $1,100,000



    STATUS UNCLEAR

    Foundation for American Veterans: West Bloomfield, Mich. Annual revenues: $8 million. Trump donation: $75,000

    Veterans Count (Easter Seals affiliate in Kansas, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Vermont). Annual revenues: Not available. Trump donation: $25,000
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    Thank you great info, just to bring this into relativity my retirement is paying for my F6B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retired Army View Post
    The individuals that put their lives on the line to advance freedom don't deserve criticism.
    Ever? Not a military veteran but a 21yr LE Veteran and I don't think putting your life on the line buys you a free pass from criticism, especially when it was deserved. McCain was a veteran POW and fine, kudos to him (though some would dispute the value in his service and have) BUT he is a giant tool as a career politician

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidk View Post
    I can respect all people who put themselves in harm's way and still dislike their politics. One does not preclude the other.
    Thank you. I earned my combat action ribbon!

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    He has more than the VETS in his cross hairs

    Quote Originally Posted by Retired Army View Post
    After watching Trump belittle McCain I truly fear my veterans benefits.
    this doesn't look too good - In case you missed it, here's the federal week in review:

    1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day. No exceptions.
    2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.
    3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump's first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.
    4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.
    5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.
    6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.
    7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.
    8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department--for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don't like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.
    9. Fired top administrators of the National Nuclear Safety Agency. There are no replacements named, and they'd need Senate confirmation anyway. Those two managed our active arsenal of nuclear weapons.
    each one of these was fact checked. Sigh.
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