I wasn't knocking the Honda motorcycle clubs they are great organizations I was just pointing out that it was not akin to the Harley global persona. I find, in my own opinion, that Goldwing, F6B etc riders are more independent riders in they don't need a pack and, in most cases, don't want one. Whereas, the whole Harley mystique is a bunch of friends on the weekend getting together in packs in their pirate outfits and riding loudly to the local diner, eating and spending the next hour in the parking lot comparing chrome, lights, clothing and pipes. And that is fine, it makes them happy and sells a lot of accesories, HD dealers are boutiques these days because the brand is very well marketed. I don't find people walking around with cutoff T-Shirts with a skull on the front with the word Honda across it, or people custom painting their Goldwings with the grim reaper on it. It's just not the brand of the company, thankfully.