I think it's time the Japanese quit trying to build a big V-twin to compete with Harley Davidson...Good or bad, for the most part they have failed...I had a VTX1800F and it was a really nice bike, but now it is gone into the sunset where most others have gone..Indian is doing fair so far, Victory bit the dust, as have many others..Harley has had the big V-twin market forever, bad bikes or not, and even with slowing sales they will continue to dominate the market in that segment...I am in no way a HD fan and would never buy one, but you have got to give them credit as they seem to survive the ups and downs of the motorcycle industry...Regards and ride safe