Phil, can't say as I don't have them as of yet...I did eml Denise this am and ask what the problem was...you were selling them and I was first to order and still don't have mine....she said mine were in the mail with the 7 LED's...in her words, " bigger was better" will have to wait and see....on a side note I do have my Tula Hand Wings in stock as suggested...waiting to do the mirrors so I only take it apart once.....