Gun fire and death in Canada

[Phantom]

I've lived in many cities from London in the UK to Joberg in SA. You simply cannot argue that countries with gun control are safer than countries without.

Years ago my brother and I were nearly killed by 3 shady characters in PARIS France (a so-called SAFE gun control city). It was the first time that I experienced adrenaline as I defended myself at 3:00am in a foreign land where I thought it was safe to visit. It was a very violent episode and 2 of the French thugs ended up with permanent life altering injuries. I did what I had to do to keep myself and brother alive, there are NO RULES when you are minding your own business and all of a sudden you are unexpectedly attacked.

That changed my outlook on life, I thought that I was going to die that night.
I now protect myself from anyone that doesn't value my life as much as I value it.

This is the internet, we're always going to have different views of opinion. Mine are based on my personal experiences.

I respect your choice to NOT carry, but please don't take the choice TO carry away from me.
I'll not think twice to protect a fellow citizen if necessary.

[bob109]

Iraq ranks number 8 in in the world for guns per capita so I am not sure why you think they are all a bunch of pu**ies. In fact didn't they manage to kill a whole bunch of American GI'S when they were in the mood to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_...ita_by_country

I stand by my statement! In comparison to the U.S.A. the Iraq citizenry is out gunned by ISIS. RPG and heavy truck mounted machine guns in the hands of trained terrorists outweigh the firepower of the average Iraqi household. I'm not questioning that American GI's were hurt or killed by Iraqi citizens. We lost many of our own to "fratricide". Unfortunately a very sad product/result of war

[jaygollner]

[QUOTE=Phantom;51662]Never implied such a ridiculous statement, you missed my point


I got to call BULL SHIT on that last statement, you said...


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WHAT difference does a BACKGROUND check make? Criminals, thugs and druggies PURCHASE guns illegally with CASH, CASH, CASH, CASH, you guys just don't get it.

Background checks are for law abiding citizens, criminals just laugh at the laws, pay a premium for a stolen or ill-gotten fire arm and then kill at will with NO RESPECT FOR A LIFE ... what makes you think they are going to respect a stupid law or fulfill a background check? That there is a funny

[shooter]

What you don't get Jaygo is that if you outlaw guns , only the outlaws will have guns. Guns have been banned in London for years yet they have one of the highest rates of gun violence of any city in the world. I think it should be a law that every law abiding competent citizen shall own and be proficient with a handgun. Jeff Cooper always said that an armed society is a polite society. For over 30 years I have carried on a daily basis. Basically if I have my pants on there is a 45 somewhere on me. I'm not bragging. I'm not proud of it. No one knows it except my family and a small circle of my closest friends. Believe me the circle is small. I don't talk about it and I have only had to take it out once. I refuse to be a victim and I will protect my loved ones. It's not for offense it's for defense. And I practice , I do drills , I still compete occasionally. I'm no expert , I have worked at being proficient with a handgun for over 40 years. When I was a kid I used to squirrel hunt with a handgun. Nowadays I keep the Groundhogs thinned out with various 45's. I hit what I aim at. All I can say is get you a gun and practice. It might come in handy one day. The groundhog population is spreading.

[Ray H]

I remember some verbiage that sort of sums it up for me... "If you ever need a gun and don't have one, there's a good chance you'll never need one again."

[Darren]

What you don't get Jaygo is that if you outlaw guns , only the outlaws will have guns. Guns have been banned in London for years yet they have one of the highest rates of gun violence of any city in the world. .

This is bullshit. Please show where you get this from. London ranks well below every city in America, as does every city in Europe. I was a police officer in the metropolitan police in the 80's, during the height of the mainland bombing campaign of the IRA. Us beat bobbies were armed only with cuffs and and a stick, no body armor and no guns or pepper spray. We had access to armed specialist units (SO 19) who were highly trained. I never felt that I needed to be armed and dealt with any number of potentially violent and violent situations, instead I relied on my training and my intelligence. In fact the only time I've ever wished for a gun was an incident in Nigeria and when it was over I was glad i didn't have one because if I'd had one I would have been tempted to use it and would have been killed.

I'm not arguing for the banning of guns in the states, I understand that part of the 2nd, if you feel you need one for personal protection why not, but I fail to see how you can use that excuse to then justify unregulated access to fully/semi automatic rifles. I know someone is going to say it's in case the government goes rogue, but that means you need access to tanks and planes and nukes.

[jkelley]

NO unregulated access for fully automatic, you have to have a class 3 license and that's not real easy.
Semi automatic, yes those are common I have several hunting rifles that are semi.
However, again with cash you can own anything you want.
There is no law or gun control policy you can put in place that will address or control a criminal or nut job.
However, on the other side of the coin if every one was qualified and carried, those criminals and nut jobs wouldn't get very far!
We have become a PC society where the police are even ridiculed and harassed for shooting an attacking suspect, thus making them ineffective.

Further. On soap box now. No matter the subject, as in the case of this one being debated on an open forum I have seen several lately that touch on the edges of politics and become heated and on the verge of personal attacks. while we are all passionate about some subject matters remember there aint nuttin personal! Try not to get butt hurt if you express your opinion and get your ass handed to you on a platter. Enjoy the ride and reading the posts when you cant. I not a mod, just my opinion. but some folks just take shit way too hard.

[Elroy]

This is bullshit. Please show where you get this from. I'm not arguing for the banning of guns in the states, I understand that part of the 2nd, if you feel you need one for personal protection why not, but I fail to see how you can use that excuse to then justify unregulated access to fully/semi automatic rifles. I know someone is going to say it's in case the government goes rogue, but that means you need access to tanks and planes and nukes.

This stinks of I would like for YOU to show where you get the information from that we have unregulated access to fully automatic rifles. I could not just run out and purchase one. As jkelley said, this requires a class III permit and requires all sorts of hoops to jump through...not an easy process....people who believe what you have said are the same who call any rifle that's 'black and scary' a, wait for it.....ASSAULT RIFLE!

[Elroy]

I'm sure some of you have seen this. Loved this the first time I read it:

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America. I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012

[SmallPasture]

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” Eighteenth-century criminologist Cesare Beccaria: