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    I don't understand how the reports of great ride quality from the front end are co-existing with the reports from Traxxion about having 1" of shock travel and the shock bottoming bumper coming into play frequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VStarRider View Post
    I don't understand how the reports of great ride quality from the front end are co-existing with the reports from Traxxion about having 1" of shock travel and the shock bottoming bumper coming into play frequently.
    How pliable is that new 2018 front shock bumper? Possibly it allows for more shaft travel than we can see?


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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    How pliable is that new 2018 front shock bumper? Possibly it allows for more shaft travel than we can see?
    It appears the front bumper is acting as an anti-dive valve and coil spring. If so, it will wear quickly.

    TD said new shocks won't be expensive, but the labor will because both shocks are buried and require a lot of time to get at them and cover them back up again. That means replacing a worn bumper frequently will rack up the shop labor $$$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ths61 View Post
    It appears the front bumper is acting as an anti-dive valve and coil spring. If so, it will wear quickly.

    TD said new shocks won't be expensive, but the labor will because both shocks are buried and require a lot of time to get at them and cover them back up again. That means replacing a worn bumper frequently will rack up the shop labor $$$.
    Yep, I think the dealers will love it. They'll see another new Wing come in the service dept and the first thing they say....."We got any more of them bumper things in stock?" .....Six more hours charged back to Mama Honda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VStarRider View Post
    I don't understand how the reports of great ride quality from the front end are co-existing with the reports from Traxxion about having 1" of shock travel and the shock bottoming bumper coming into play frequently.
    It's all about ratios and lever arms. My CTX700 has "only" 1.5 inches of shock travel, but because of the 2.5:1 ratio of the shock to swing arm, it gives me a little over 4 inches of travel before bottoming. So having a shock move just 1 inch is really not an issue, and doesn't mean anything without knowing the lever arm ratio to determine what that 1 inch of travel actual means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShanghaiDan View Post
    It's all about ratios and lever arms. My CTX700 has "only" 1.5 inches of shock travel, but because of the 2.5:1 ratio of the shock to swing arm, it gives me a little over 4 inches of travel before bottoming. So having a shock move just 1 inch is really not an issue, and doesn't mean anything without knowing the lever arm ratio to determine what that 1 inch of travel actual means.
    Someone needs to get a camera in that front end and film that shock shaft; as the shock is being articulated....


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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    Someone needs to get a camera in that front end and film that shock shaft; as the shock is being articulated....
    That would be a great video to have while the bike is being ridden one and two up..

    Like the DarkSide GoPro videos showing the car tire's contact patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    Someone needs to get a camera in that front end and film that shock shaft; as the shock is being articulated....
    Yep, it seems to me to be basically the same type of forces on the front shock as on a rear monoshock setup. Short stroke, lever arm for operation/usable stroke. Mainly in-and-out forces since both ends can rotate freely about an axis.

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    Our B's rear shock has too much pre load and it looks like the new Wing's front has too little. Someone needs to check on the guys in the suspension dept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zteve View Post
    Our B's rear shock has too much pre load and it looks like the new Wing's front has too little. Someone needs to check on the guys in the suspension dept.
    Agreed. My rear shock/spring is too stiff, even with the lowest preload setting, under my 230 lb arse.
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