Harley in big financial trouble

[Fourks]

Maybe....but....
I've got some "first-hand knowledge" of college students at University of West Florida.
What will and will not do.
What they will and will not eat.
What they will purchase and then say they are broke.


Example: I have a phone plan with TMobil where I have 4 phones, unlimited data & texts, free CONUS calls. $100/month. No, there are no free phone upgrades. You buy a phone and you use it.
Their response: "That's just silly, I NEED the free upgrades."

Example: Seminar lecture. Free Firehouse turkey subs, chips & cookies.
They ate the cookies, brought in $5 coffee from wherever, wouldn't touch the subs because "I don't like Firehouse subs, I only eat Mike's Famous."
And then complain, again, they are broke.

I'm not seeing things from their perspective. At all.
Yes, they are broke, but it's because they have made continuously poor choices.
They do not know how to cook from raw materials - huge $$$$ savings there.
They do not know how to manage and save money.
They do not repair - they discard or get a "free" upgrade.

There's a popular radio commercial that starts out with "If you have credit card debt of more than $10,000, it may not be your fault!" Seriously???? Get real.

You make your bed; you sleep in it.
Freedom of choice comes with consequences.
"Play stupid games; win stupid prizes."
And the games are just getting sillier....

I need more Irish Creme in my coffee apparently.

Well, What are you doing with those college kids? I sent one to college and she came back ruined. The one that stayed home and got a job is doing much better and already owns a home and a good steady job. I mostly caulk it up to immaturity, and all those ideas they are teaching our kids. I just think we should be supportive of the next gen, they have the weight of the world on their shoulders.

[53driver]

Well, What are you doing with those college kids? I sent one to college and she came back ruined. The one that stayed home and got a job is doing much better and already owns a home and a good steady job. I mostly caulk it up to immaturity, and all those ideas they are teaching our kids. I just think we should be supportive of the next gen, they have the weight of the world on their shoulders.

Wife is in Grad school - again. She teaches grad school also. She sees all this.
Did you know a Master's program "Full-Load" is only SIX credit hours a semester??? SIX??? This is why these kids are dying. Too much time on their hands and too many semesters ($$$$) to complete their 'education.'

Both my daughters went to good colleges, (Rensselaer Poly and Penn State) both got dual majors and dual minors in a 4 year program, and worked part time. Upon graduation, they were both debt free (scholarships, job, and work-study) and outright owners of their cars (I helped a bit here) and had money in their checking accounts. Both are currently working, doing well, supporting themselves. The elder is in IT and making more money than I ever did. The younger is in education and not making as much but she's happy. Neither have ever asked to move home nor asked for a "grant" - but they know if there's an issue, we'll work something out.

Kids (and people in general) will "push the envelop" and try and do as little as possible. "If the minimum wasn't good enough, it wouldn't be the minimum, right?"
Setting reasonably high expectations and HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE is where parents - in general - are failing miserably these days.
Now granted, someone with an IQ of 70 is not going to do what my kids did, and they are probably never going to have the disposable income to buy a $35,000 motorcycle and we probably wouldn't want them on a motorcycle in the first place.
My younger daughter, after her first few days at PSU, called home and said "Thank you for not raising me like 6 year old." She was amazed and disgusted at the girls who HAD to talk to mommy several times a day for hours at a time. I don't want that dependency on a bike either.

Fourks - they may HAVE the weight of the world on their shoulders, but they are seriously ill equipped to deal with it.
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I will support those who want to make a difference, make good choices, and not play silly games.
I will NOT support what I term "willful ignorance" stemming from emotional trials & tribulations.

[BIGLRY]

Fourks - they may HAVE the weight of the world on their shoulders, but they are seriously ill equipped to deal with it.
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I will support those who want to make a difference, make good choices, and not play silly games.
I will NOT support what I term "willful ignorance" stemming from emotional trials & tribulations.

[Fourks]

Sounds like you raised some great kids! I agree with HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE and that is lacking in our society and our parenting. My Daughter calls me the Tiger Dad so at least she's feeling the pressure. I do worry that they are seriously ill equipped if I was being totally honest. Suggesting that you need an above average IQ to ride a F6B sounds a bit elitist to me. I have an average IQ and turn wrenches for a living, and I do just fine on a bike. I have owned my own business most of my life, and make good money.

[53driver]

Sounds like you raised some great kids! I agree with HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE and that is lacking in our society and our parenting. My Daughter calls me the Tiger Dad so at least she's feeling the pressure. I do worry that they are seriously ill equipped if I was being totally honest. Suggesting that you need an above average IQ to ride a F6B sounds a bit elitist to me. I have an average IQ and turn wrenches for a living, and I do just fine on a bike. I have owned my own business most of my life, and make good money.

No sir, not at all. Please no offense!

And I don't think I wrote that one needed an "above average IQ to ride a F6B"
I wrote:
"Now granted, someone with an IQ of 70 is not going to do what my kids did, and they are probably never going to have the disposable income to buy a $35,000 motorcycle and we probably wouldn't want them on a motorcycle in the first place."

Quick explanation:
Average is 100. If you are running your own business and have managed to keep the IRS out of your life, I would say you are WELL above average!
A 70 IQ is two standard deviations below "average" indicating a mind that cannot perceive and react - quickly or at all - to situations. The Cognitive Classification is "Very Dull" - the lowest one.

Again, I am not suggesting it takes above average intelligence to operate a motorcycle. Let's keep things in context here.
Cheers,
Steve