What would all of you do if they were putting in a recovery house literally a stones throw from your house?
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What would all of you do if they were putting in a recovery house literally a stones throw from your house?
Join them!
Get together with your neighbors and work together to use the power of the municipality to make sure every blade of grass is cut to city standard. Make sure that every building code is met, there are no cracks in the sidewalk since they can be tricky and people can fall. If one of the residents so much as crosses the street the wrong way call the cops. Make it so uncomfortable for them to the point that it would be easier to leave than to stay.
could be worse... how about sex offenders?
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/loca...r-group/nj2LX/
I'd say live and let live! Being 6 years sober and in recovery myself I would be supportive any way I can. Different strokes for different folks......
It could be worse, the Democrats could have put up a campaign headquarters for Hillary for President. I would take the likes of a crackhead prostitute than to have to look at those bull dyke heifers anytime.
This will be a recovery house for heroin addict and the property butts against many properties with very young children and I Don't have a problem with the sober ones living there but the high relapse rate and the fact of so many small children in the area.
Seriously, these houses needed approval at the local level, find out the nearest lowlife politician and tell him if he wants to get reelected to find a way to get rid of it. Naturally this should be in the form of a protest letter with as many signatures as possible. It should be sent monthly with more and more signatures each time. The minute politicians see a united front they begain to notice as it is their job to keep us divided. Also if this is being supported by business donations find that info and boycott those businesses and protest in front. If you're vigilant you will be succesful. The winner is always more stubborn than the problem.
I wonder if any of these harsh responses would be tempered if one of you has ever needed addiction help.
Everyone wants a facility to help those in need, but no one ever wants one in their neighbourhood.
Do as I say; not as I do. Have your cake and eat it too.
I've heard those statements way too many times.
I'm with you, GiddyupF6B.
There are countless other options and places where they can put recovering heroin addicts , inside residential neighborhoods where children and families are is not one of them., not to mention property values and the theft of property to feed that habit. Addicts relapse no matter how good the rehab is. Some are there because they HAVE to be there as part of a plea deal and not because they have the inner desire to do so. People who bought the homes surrounding this property didnt anticipate a halfway house popping up in the middle of it and if it had been there how many would have bought, mmmm none. This has nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with the security and serenity and protection of a home. Just like if a crackhouse or pothouse moved in the neighborhood just the same. Do whatever it takes to get rid of it. Most of the time the local politicians or their relatives are involved monetarily in these particular ventures. Here's an idea, ship them to Denver there's plenty of empty homes and space, if you're getting it for nothing you really can't complain. BTW you'll never see these places in areas where the median income is $250,000 and up, know why? Because the people have the resources to get up and leave the place barron. Middle class doesn't have the luxury to do that, and the sleazy local pols know that.
The opinions in this post are ones I'm choosing not to further comment on because nothing good can come out of it. It's just a shame this housing is viewed as a "problem" when it's actually a method of solution...it's a shame the way some people think.
And I will add....
In my city, population of .75M, there exists a very trendy, heavily populated high rise and infill housing area. My daughter and son-in-law used to live there before they had their first child. Right across the street from their apartment is an in and outpatient addiction centre. In the 4 years they lived in that area, never once was there an incident involving the addiction centre. About a half block away is Winnipeg's most prestigious riverfront condo building, with sales starting at over $1M and only going up.
Needless to say, the political and economic clout those condo owners carry could have that addiction centre gone in no time if it were in an urban US city.
But this is Canada, and apparently by the sounds of this topic, we are a kinder, more compassionate group than the free for all, take no prisoners attitude of the masses of the USA, who rely on the second amendment to their bill of rights to allow their country to be so dangerous and threatening to their own citizens. :soapbox:
I am not arguing the need for such a facility in my town it is riddled with these drugs yet another argument as to not bring the fat kid to the candy store. We only found out about this after it was leaked subsequently after the closing in this property was suppose to have happened. They tried to sneak this into our neighborhood without any input or answering questions of the ones who will be most affected by this. I have said I don't think this should go into my neighborhood or ANY neighborhood so close to small children...the risk is not worth the reward. My neighborhood is zoned for a single family residence only and they are using the Americans with disabilities act to force it in....that's just my two pennies worth but maybe I'm just the close minded one who only has my families safety at heart
Noone, in their right mind, would move on a block, into a neighborhood where this facility would. That is why they put these in existing neighborhoods. Let's try an experiment, pass a law that these facilities can only go into new construction and all prospective home buyers have to be notified before they buy that this facility will be in this new construction. Now how many new home buyers, who are planning to start a family would buy, venture to say 0.
Why did you bring the 2nd Amendment into this? Your logical argument was fine, but by "adding" this tidbit, I'm so sorry, you have lost credibility.
This thread had NOTHING to do with the Constitution, let alone Amendments, but "blaming guns" is the first fallback position for anyone who cannot make logical points.
You are better than that, BigBird. I have seen your other posts and followed your logic completely, both on and off the F6B. I'm a more than a bit disappointed.
Just to clear up the handgun thing with some facts:
According to data from the*FBI’s uniform crime reports, California had the highest number of gun murders in 2011 with 1,220 — which makes up 68 percent of all murders in the state that year and equates to 3.25 murders per 100,000 people AND the strongest gun control laws*in 2011 by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.
In the US 200,000 times a year women use a gun to defend themselves against sexual abuse
Nations with*strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates*than those who do not in general.*In fact, the 9 European nations with the*lowest*gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the*highest*gun ownership rate.
In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997 in the UK, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or*more than 2 attacks every minute!
In 1982, Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law*requiring*heads of households to*keep at least one firearm*in the house. The residential*burglary rate subsequently dropped 89%
Every public mass shooting*in the USA since 1950 has taken place*where citizens are banned from carrying guns.
Boys let me tell you its OK to say that it will be all hunky dory and everything but the ugly truth is you're not the one with young children whose property butts up next to this facility. Its always OK for someone until they are offended. To the OP I feel your pain. I would talk to local LE for some assurances on stepped up patrols during meeting times and maybe organize a neighborhood watch. And to those who say live and let live , if you think that works your head is in a bag.
Innocent citizens need to carry guns for protection from the criminals who carry guns.
Now everyone carries guns.
No one knows how to use a gun safely, if there is such a thing.
it's a revolving door that will never correct itself.
The only way to make your country safe from criminals and addicts who seem to threaten your daily existence is to remove all guns from the hands of US citizens, save for law enforcement agencies, just like up here.
But your outdated constitution prevents that from ever happening.
God bless America.
Bird as much as I respect you , you sir are out of touch. Canadians live under the bubble of US protection and therefore fly low under the radar. Where I live LE response time can sometimes be measured in hours or not at all. Being Proactive is the only choice one can make when it comes to the security and safety of ones family. Anyone that does not realize this is truly out of touch. LE cannot protect you from the bad guys. They can only clean up in the aftermath. And if you think a mere commoner can't be proficient with a handgun come to my gun club some Saturday and watch myself and dozens of my friends shoot an IDPA match. It is truly awe inspiring.
My head is far from in a bag, it's ignorant opinions like yours and your friend up there that have head issues. I encourage you to take this up with your local politicians, police dept, home owner associations, and whom ever else you feel needs to hear how outraged you guys are.....I wish I could be there as they laugh in your face and tell you to stop wasting their time. Go ahead and request additional patrols from the police for these horrible people who are trying to beat the disease of addiction. They're "halfway" houses all over this country where people go to get sober and live with other sober people to try and better themselves. These aren't rehabs or drug addiction facilities, they're houses with a community of struggling people trying to help themselves and each other. The comments here act as if a full blown correctional facility is going up where you and your precious privileged and entitled family lay their spoiled heads every night. They obviously need to help each other any way they can because people like you wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire. To each thy own and LIVE AND LET LIVE! Sober and proud of it!! I'm glad there's places that people can go to choose the path I walk.......even if it's in your backyard! Flame on....I won't be replying.
Yes. Of course. I will even invite you in, offer you food and drink and spirited discussion.
Losing credibility on an internet thread is not cause to "un-friend" anyone. I was just disappointed that this one time, you drug something non-related into the conversation - it's not like you and I'll regard it as a one-time anomaly.
No worries.
That there is just flat out wrong.
Well, bad people seem to find a way to get guns - whether or not the guns are legal, or the procurement was legal.
The only thing that stops a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun - like most law enforcement officers.
So, if the bad people are going to get guns, regardless if they are legal, it makes no sense then to make them illegal for honest law-abiding citizens, does it?
Anyway, I'm still at a loss as to how this topic came up in a discussion about a halfway/recovery house in a neighborhood.......
I am truly out of touch with the American way of thinking.
Your country and mine are so different in terms of attitudes towards the poor, the sick, and the right to own weapons.
If you were to give a handgun to any person I know, they would say "no thanks, why would I want or need that?" And it is legal, but a very tedious process, to own a handgun here.
I feel very lucky that I live in a country where I don't need to own a weapon to feel safe.
And that, my snow-bound friend, is the difference. I can fully appreciate your perspective.
I can also say that I am as out of touch with your culture, with regards to weapons, as you are with mine.
My background is different than most - I have been to many countries and experienced many different cultural "norms" regarding everything from weapons, to treatment of women, to a linear approach to respect rather than earned, and most recently, the complete disrespect for human life by ISIS.
And that leads me to this statement: NO ONE is completely safe. (Except perhaps people living north of the Arctic Circle.)
Don't let life take you where your brain hasn't already been for at least 15 minutes.
Cheers.
Since handguns have been brought into this I will say I do own one and I do carry it...my belief is the same as many if guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns...now I'm not quite as young and sprite as I once was and it is my duty and mine alone to protect my family...and I will protect them I promise you
First of all it's not a disease and I don't buy that psycho-babble. Words mean things and when you tag it as a disease it means you have no control over it, you do. You're just not ready to be unselfish, responsible and assimilate into a community as a member.Tapping someone with a Freudian Wand and telling them it's a disease does not help the problem, and it is a problem especially when these facilities move next to you. For those of you touting the great success of these places call them up and offer your home to the them, but you probably won't. The reason why they're there is because their own families don't even want them so they locate them next to yours. So come down off your soap boxes and stop cheerleading putting waste stations in residential neighborhoods. There are plenty of vacant military facilities, municipal buildings, hospitals and various other locations away from any possible temptations they may have, like little children, where they can fully rehabilitate and THEN be welcomed into a community. I'd still watch them after that but you can let them babysit your kids.
Well an opinion is not a medical fact by its' own definition, it's like a theory, a guess, like global warming, tooth fairies, unicorns, pixie dust, addiction is a disease and Jimmy Hoffa is buried in Giants Stadium. BTW no need to get personal with the biker from Brooklyn wisecrack. We are exchanging opinions here and you know what they say about opinions - they're like as$holes every forum has one, we're even.
He said he was gonna stop t4f. The ones that say that usually can't.