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    Quote Originally Posted by speeddrive1 View Post
    What does that have to do with the original question
    Quote Originally Posted by speeddrive1 View Post
    So out of curiosity, do you riders use both front and rear brakes when stopping or do use front or rear only?
    I have been using both but I get a hot brake smell from the rear and the recall has been done.
    There is no drag from the rear brake when on the c stand,I can spin the wheel by hand easily.
    Speeddrive1,
    Yes, sometimes threads stray from the original intended topic - but please realize that all (99.99996%) of the posters on this forum mean well.
    The OP needs to keep the focus on his issues by guiding the thread to his desired end state - no interest like self interest!
    (You may have noticed where I told the one gentleman that we would continue that thread separately.)

    You asked basically two questions:
    1. "Do you riders use both front and rear brakes when stopping or do use front or rear only? "
    2. "I get a hot brake smell from the rear and the recall has been done, why?"

    For question 1:
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    For maximum braking efficiency, always practice using both brakes. That way, in extremis, your muscle memory will kick in and you'll brake as best you and the bike are able.
    Realizing that as you brake, the weight shifts forward to the front tire. The front brake can be up to 70% of your stopping power because of this shift, so learn to use it properly.
    The corollary is that as the weight shifts forward, this unloads the rear tire weight, making the rear tire more susceptible to locking up. Skidding the rear tire isn't an epic issue, but it doesn't give you maximum braking.
    Practice "threshold braking" - taking both brakes to the "I'm-almost-skidding-both-tires" point. The tires will talk to you. They will howl as they are approaching skidding. Learn to listen to your bike and PRACTICE doing this from "typical, normal" speeds.
    For question 2:
    You tried the 5x pump & spin trick and the tire rotates freely - that's a good sign - fluid is flowing out of the return hole freely.
    And "over-loading" the brakes is not going to happen under normal use - maybe under track conditions in the Nevada desert in July.
    So why are you smelling hot brakes?
    I had inquired:
    Quote Originally Posted by 53driver View Post
    Hot brake smell from the rear. All the time? Every ride? Once in awhile? Is this under normal braking or severe braking? If normal braking, I'd definitely do as Will suggested and see if things aren't dragging even just a bit as that will heat them up and them normal braking exacerbates the situation.
    The other thing I was thinking about is that maybe your right foot is pressing slightly on the pedal all the time and causing the pads to contact and heat up.

    Please help us understand the scope of the problem by telling us under what conditions and how often you smell your rear brake.
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    53driver, I appreciate your response. Now you have me thinking, could I be unconsciously riding the rear break? When I get back to my shop where the bike is I am going to sit on that sucker and pay attention to where my feet are. I usually am very careful about riding brakes or slipping clutches because that stuff cost money and having owned my own semi for the last 25 years I don't like to do clutches or brakes prematurely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speeddrive1 View Post
    53driver, I appreciate your response. Now you have me thinking, could I be unconsciously riding the rear brake? When I get back to my shop where the bike is I am going to sit on that sucker and pay attention to where my feet are. I usually am very careful about riding brakes or slipping clutches because that stuff cost money and having owned my own semi for the last 25 years I don't like to do clutches or brakes prematurely.
    It's just one thing that has happened to certain people.
    I have a size 9 foot....not a problem for me, but I've heard where men with size 12s and boots weighing in pounds instead of ounces can inadvertently apply enough pressure to cause the brake light to stay on or drag the pads.
    Professional drivers "generally" are VERY aware of where their feet and toes are - for the reasons you mentioned.
    However, it's a possibility that needs to be explored and if applicable, ruled out.

    What I'm trying to do is eliminate all possibilities while the bike is in your shop, before you take it to a dealer for any potential warranty work.

    And again, how often does this phenomena happen? Every ride? Hot days only?
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    So I sat on the bike last night in a normal riding position and just don't think that I could be riding the rear brake. I also wear a size 9 boot my toes when on the bike are slightly pointed out completely clear of the brake pedal.
    Unfortunately it is too cold to ride right now but in the spring I will get my infrared thermometer out and take some temp readings of the rotor and driveline to see if anything is actually getting hotter than it should.
    I should mention that I commute to work at 430 in the morning about 15 miles of freeway and 2 miles of divided highway that has 2 traffic lights . I pull up to the shop and can smell hot something like brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speeddrive1 View Post
    So I sat on the bike last night in a normal riding position and just don't think that I could be riding the rear brake. I also wear a size 9 boot my toes when on the bike are slightly pointed out completely clear of the brake pedal.
    Unfortunately it is too cold to ride right now but in the spring I will get my infrared thermometer out and take some temp readings of the rotor and driveline to see if anything is actually getting hotter than it should.
    The rear pedal is on a spline with multiple small notches. If you think you may be subconsciously riding the pedal you can move it upwards one notch. That should keep your foot from shifting left and hovering over the pedal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speeddrive1 View Post
    So out of curiosity, do you riders use both front and rear brakes when stopping or do use front or rear only?
    I have been using both but I get a hot brake smell from the rear and the recall has been done.
    There is no drag from the rear brake when on the c stand,I can spin the wheel by hand easily.
    Just to eliminate a possible cause of a dragging brake, pull off the right side cover (above the brake pedal) and check the fluid level in the brake reservoir. Make sure it is below the max fill marking. If it is overfull, it could possibly (very rare) be preventing brake fluid from returning to the master cylinder as it warms up. Or - is there any chance you have worn out the pads and are smelling metal on metal?

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